1 00:00:10,970 --> 00:00:05,090 Rolla McCrady has been at previous sse 2 00:00:14,060 --> 00:00:10,980 meetings michael act atkinson is his 3 00:00:19,010 --> 00:00:14,070 main on-site technical assistance at the 4 00:00:20,599 --> 00:00:19,020 heart math Institute the the arabic 5 00:00:23,029 --> 00:00:20,609 physician whose name I will not attempt 6 00:00:26,300 --> 00:00:23,039 to pronounce ah was their co-worker on 7 00:00:32,269 --> 00:00:26,310 data gathering for this study and I was 8 00:00:34,610 --> 00:00:32,279 brought into it as a hired consultant to 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:34,620 do some analyses for them and I end up 10 00:00:44,389 --> 00:00:37,050 being the presenter because I'm the one 11 00:00:46,819 --> 00:00:44,399 who's an SSC member so one of the things 12 00:00:50,779 --> 00:00:46,829 that the hard math institute among 13 00:00:52,580 --> 00:00:50,789 others has has demonstrated is that the 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:52,590 heart is actually the most powerful 15 00:01:01,069 --> 00:00:54,930 source of electromagnetic signals in the 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:01,079 body and additional findings from 17 00:01:07,910 --> 00:01:03,210 previous heart math Institute research 18 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,920 are that the the electromagnetic fields 19 00:01:11,660 --> 00:01:09,600 at least it's generally presumed that 20 00:01:14,210 --> 00:01:11,670 it's the electromagnetic fields produced 21 00:01:17,899 --> 00:01:14,220 by the heart have measurable effects on 22 00:01:22,940 --> 00:01:17,909 other organisms and people near a given 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:22,950 person ah now this this raises the 24 00:01:28,670 --> 00:01:24,570 question of what about other 25 00:01:32,719 --> 00:01:28,680 electromagnetic magnetic fields the sort 26 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:32,729 of Art Deco image here is showing some 27 00:01:37,069 --> 00:01:35,280 of the frequencies or rather wavelengths 28 00:01:40,429 --> 00:01:37,079 involved in the Schumann resonances 29 00:01:42,819 --> 00:01:40,439 which are the natural resonances of the 30 00:01:45,410 --> 00:01:42,829 earth as a whole for electromagnetic 31 00:01:48,499 --> 00:01:45,420 radiation propagating between the 32 00:01:51,020 --> 00:01:48,509 surface and the ionosphere those are by 33 00:01:52,490 --> 00:01:51,030 no means the only electromagnetic 34 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:52,500 effects associated with the Earth's 35 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:55,020 environment and some of them have been 36 00:02:01,700 --> 00:01:58,320 shown to have effects on human 37 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:01,710 physiology and psychology in studies 38 00:02:09,859 --> 00:02:04,799 that I'm not going to cite here because 39 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:09,869 there's a lot of them so since the heart 40 00:02:15,369 --> 00:02:12,260 both generates in response to electro 41 00:02:17,289 --> 00:02:15,379 magnetic signals it seems natural to 42 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:17,299 look at heart function as an indicator 43 00:02:23,470 --> 00:02:19,489 of the body's reaction to external 44 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:23,480 fields and the aspect that the heart 45 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:26,930 math people thought was best suited for 46 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:28,700 this kind of analysis was heart rate 47 00:02:38,789 --> 00:02:31,190 variability which Julie mentioned in her 48 00:02:41,410 --> 00:02:38,799 talk so the experimental program here 49 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:41,420 HRV data was collected from 16 50 00:02:46,899 --> 00:02:43,609 volunteers in Saudi Arabia over a 51 00:02:50,020 --> 00:02:46,909 six-month period the participants wore 52 00:02:52,649 --> 00:02:50,030 monitors for extended periods not all 53 00:02:55,030 --> 00:02:52,659 the time usually not 24/7 but for 54 00:02:58,750 --> 00:02:55,040 extended slices out of this six-month 55 00:03:00,729 --> 00:02:58,760 period 10 different HRV measures were 56 00:03:03,729 --> 00:03:00,739 calculated from the raw heartbeat data 57 00:03:06,970 --> 00:03:03,739 on an hourly basis and during this same 58 00:03:09,220 --> 00:03:06,980 period 12 measurements of geomagnetic or 59 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:09,230 cosmic variables were recorded on an 60 00:03:15,369 --> 00:03:10,900 hourly basis 61 00:03:19,869 --> 00:03:15,379 so the 10 HRV measures don't worry there 62 00:03:21,909 --> 00:03:19,879 will not be a quiz on this that this is 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:21,919 just so that you can get a a glance at 64 00:03:30,849 --> 00:03:26,810 the names of what they are and we had 12 65 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:30,859 environment variables including several 66 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:34,150 G several standard published geomagnetic 67 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:37,970 indices PC n stands for the polar cap 68 00:03:44,349 --> 00:03:40,910 North index a measure of magnetic flux 69 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:44,359 literally on the north polar cap the 70 00:03:49,990 --> 00:03:46,900 Schumann resonance appears again and 71 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:50,000 there were four sets of GCI magnetometer 72 00:03:56,699 --> 00:03:53,470 readings then there are cosmological 73 00:03:59,170 --> 00:03:56,709 parameters not directly connected to 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:03:59,180 geomagnetism there's the solar wind 75 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:02,930 speed the sunspot number the F 10.7 76 00:04:09,610 --> 00:04:06,290 index is a measure of how much radio 77 00:04:11,860 --> 00:04:09,620 emission the Sun is putting out at a 78 00:04:15,309 --> 00:04:11,870 frequent at by the wavelength of ten 79 00:04:17,939 --> 00:04:15,319 point seven centimeters and the cosmic 80 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:17,949 ray incidence counts 81 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:22,250 so we've just designed a tremendously 82 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:24,740 complicated data structure we've got ten 83 00:05:52,570 --> 00:04:25,010 a 84 00:05:55,690 --> 00:05:52,580 the effect of multiple contributing 85 00:05:58,540 --> 00:05:55,700 variables simultaneously and sort them 86 00:06:00,370 --> 00:05:58,550 out from each other and I have a 87 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:00,380 detailed explanation of how that works 88 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:02,510 which I will reserve for an appendix if 89 00:06:12,250 --> 00:06:09,110 we have the time hello now there we go 90 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:12,260 so just as a quick overview from the raw 91 00:06:16,540 --> 00:06:13,850 data we first remove circadian 92 00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:16,550 variations and then for each HR v 93 00:06:21,310 --> 00:06:18,620 measure for each participant at each 94 00:06:23,410 --> 00:06:21,320 time offset we do a multivariate 95 00:06:26,410 --> 00:06:23,420 regression analysis on all 12 96 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:26,420 environment variables we calculate the 97 00:06:32,770 --> 00:06:28,250 weighted mean across participants to get 98 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:32,780 the population averages then we apply a 99 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:35,150 bonferroni correction for the number of 100 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:38,450 lags and take the moat and apply that to 101 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:38,750 the 102 00:06:50,140 --> 00:06:47,570 significance bonferroni correction is 103 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:50,150 basically a technique you apply to 104 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:52,760 compensate for the inherent bias of I've 105 00:06:57,550 --> 00:06:54,710 got a bunch of tests and I'm taking the 106 00:07:00,610 --> 00:06:57,560 one that looks best how much do I need 107 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:00,620 to dilute my p-value to reflect the 108 00:07:07,330 --> 00:07:04,360 effect of cherry-picking the best result 109 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:07,340 and here's the summary of the overall 110 00:07:19,330 --> 00:07:14,890 results 12:12 environment variables vs. 111 00:07:23,010 --> 00:07:19,340 10 HRV measures and the legend of 112 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:23,020 rainbow colors running around the side 113 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:26,630 this violet shade at the top corresponds 114 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:29,930 to a p-value of 10 to the minus 15 power 115 00:07:39,150 --> 00:07:36,080 or less in fact this 1 square here 116 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:39,160 showing up in deep violet sorry I'm 117 00:07:47,620 --> 00:07:43,130 ignoring one side of the room actually 118 00:07:49,930 --> 00:07:47,630 has a p-value of 1.6 times ten to the 119 00:07:53,020 --> 00:07:49,940 minus sixteen power that's after 120 00:07:57,070 --> 00:07:53,030 correcting for the fact that it's the 121 00:07:59,740 --> 00:07:57,080 best lag out of 81 lags and of course 122 00:08:02,350 --> 00:07:59,750 we've got 120 separate tests here so we 123 00:08:06,580 --> 00:08:02,360 can do a separate bonferroni correction 124 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:06,590 for that and that dilutes our p-value 125 00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:10,130 all the way to 1.9 times 10 to the minus 126 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:15,740 14th power how disappointing and as you 127 00:08:22,750 --> 00:08:19,840 can see there are quite a few other 128 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:22,760 significant results in fact and I 129 00:08:32,230 --> 00:08:27,110 apologize for the fine print of these 130 00:08:34,990 --> 00:08:32,240 120 tests 74% of them are significant at 131 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:35,000 0.05 level or better at basically 132 00:08:41,589 --> 00:08:37,460 anything that's not black if this were a 133 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:41,599 chance phenomenon only about 5% of that 134 00:08:45,610 --> 00:08:43,280 hundred-and-twenty or in other words 135 00:08:49,470 --> 00:08:45,620 about 6 of those squares should be 136 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:53,730 um looking at that things in a little 137 00:09:00,540 --> 00:08:57,250 more detail but still the same overview 138 00:09:05,340 --> 00:09:00,550 all ten HRV measures are reacting to the 139 00:09:07,050 --> 00:09:05,350 Schumann resonance that's a brief the 140 00:09:12,870 --> 00:09:07,060 buttons are too close to each other on 141 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:12,880 this control SFI here is the mnemonic 142 00:09:17,699 --> 00:09:15,370 for Schumann fundamental integral it's 143 00:09:20,699 --> 00:09:17,709 the integrated strength of the lowest 144 00:09:23,939 --> 00:09:20,709 Schumann resonance frequency and every 145 00:09:26,819 --> 00:09:23,949 measure is reacting to it ah nine out of 146 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:26,829 ten are reacting to the ten point seven 147 00:09:33,319 --> 00:09:29,410 centimeter solar emissions eight out of 148 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:33,329 ten are reacting to cosmic-ray counts 149 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:36,720 only seven of the ten react to 150 00:09:46,259 --> 00:09:39,570 significantly to the solar wind speed 151 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:46,269 but look at this stretch of green we've 152 00:09:52,410 --> 00:09:50,350 got five out of the ten are reacting 153 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:52,420 with P less than ten to the minus fifth 154 00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:55,870 to the solar wind on the other hand not 155 00:10:00,329 --> 00:09:58,569 much is reacting to the polar cap North 156 00:10:02,639 --> 00:10:00,339 flux and there are a couple of other 157 00:10:09,290 --> 00:10:02,649 environmental measures that don't seem 158 00:10:11,819 --> 00:10:09,300 to be having much impact as as for the 159 00:10:13,079 --> 00:10:11,829 measures there are several measures that 160 00:10:16,439 --> 00:10:13,089 are reacting to ten out of twelve 161 00:10:19,019 --> 00:10:16,449 environment measure variables and there 162 00:10:22,949 --> 00:10:19,029 are other HRV measures that show very 163 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:22,959 few significant reactions now how 164 00:10:27,030 --> 00:10:24,970 significant is significant I've been 165 00:10:29,309 --> 00:10:27,040 talking about statistical significance 166 00:10:31,050 --> 00:10:29,319 which just means we can assert with 167 00:10:34,379 --> 00:10:31,060 confidence that something is happening 168 00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:34,389 that is not a statistical fluke ah the 169 00:10:38,009 --> 00:10:36,279 everyday sense of significance on the 170 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:38,019 other hand means that something is big 171 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:42,970 enough to matter so just to get an idea 172 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:46,120 of the range here the most statistically 173 00:10:51,689 --> 00:10:48,730 significant response is the reaction of 174 00:10:55,199 --> 00:10:51,699 high frequency HRV spectral power to the 175 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:55,209 Schumann resonance intensity multiplying 176 00:10:59,130 --> 00:10:57,130 the regression coefficient by the full 177 00:11:02,910 --> 00:10:59,140 range of variation in the Schumann 178 00:11:06,509 --> 00:11:02,920 resonance produces 7.8 percent 179 00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:06,519 of the full range of variation in HRV so 180 00:11:14,819 --> 00:11:11,320 in in terms of the pragmatic effect on 181 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:14,829 physiology we're talking about between 182 00:11:21,150 --> 00:11:16,450 five and ten percent of the natural 183 00:11:24,329 --> 00:11:21,160 range of variation now this overall 184 00:11:26,730 --> 00:11:24,339 evaluation ignores most of the models at 185 00:11:29,069 --> 00:11:26,740 different time delays as I said we're 186 00:11:31,710 --> 00:11:29,079 looking at the most significant one and 187 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:31,720 applying a bonferroni correction so that 188 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:33,490 we don't fool ourselves into making a 189 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:36,850 type 1 error however there's a great 190 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:38,800 deal more information in those time 191 00:11:44,550 --> 00:11:42,820 sequences and with with numbers like 10 192 00:11:49,350 --> 00:11:44,560 to the minus 16th and 10 to the minus 193 00:11:52,439 --> 00:11:49,360 14th flying around we can afford to look 194 00:11:54,930 --> 00:11:52,449 at a few more variables without too much 195 00:11:57,860 --> 00:11:54,940 risk of fooling ourselves into over 196 00:12:01,530 --> 00:11:57,870 interpreting a statistical fluke 197 00:12:03,870 --> 00:12:01,540 so here's five of the variables we 198 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:03,880 picked five partly for visibility partly 199 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:05,800 because the other five were strongly 200 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:09,130 correlating with them for the strongest 201 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:13,630 response the Schumann resonance and you 202 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:16,920 can see that all of these variables are 203 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:20,649 reacting in a similar way there's a sort 204 00:12:33,150 --> 00:12:28,170 of quasi periodic behavior here which is 205 00:12:35,550 --> 00:12:33,160 not at 24 hour intervals so it's not a 206 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:35,560 circadian influence that somehow escaped 207 00:12:41,939 --> 00:12:39,610 our removal of circadian effects we 208 00:12:46,019 --> 00:12:41,949 don't know what it is it's its 209 00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:46,029 periodicity is about 18 to 20 hours we 210 00:12:51,449 --> 00:12:48,880 we're not aware of anything particularly 211 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:51,459 significant that oscillates on that time 212 00:12:58,199 --> 00:12:54,490 scale another interesting feature of 213 00:13:03,269 --> 00:12:58,209 that graph is that nothing is reacting 214 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:03,279 in real time you look at HRV at the same 215 00:13:09,660 --> 00:13:06,100 time as a particular burst of activity 216 00:13:11,970 --> 00:13:09,670 in the Schumann resonance no reaction 217 00:13:16,430 --> 00:13:11,980 the reaction is showing up most strongly 218 00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:16,440 30 hours later then there's also 219 00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:20,880 this this thing down here which is a 220 00:13:25,670 --> 00:13:22,800 puzzle it looks like there's an 221 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:25,680 anticipatory response about 34 hours 222 00:13:31,430 --> 00:13:28,710 ahead of time here's the variable that 223 00:13:36,620 --> 00:13:31,440 had multiple things reacting to it very 224 00:13:39,740 --> 00:13:36,630 significantly the solar wind here we 225 00:13:43,340 --> 00:13:39,750 don't see quasi-periodic structure we've 226 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:43,350 just got one big peak which again is 227 00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:47,250 showing up in multiple variables that is 228 00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:54,030 10 hours after the stimulus now an 229 00:14:00,110 --> 00:13:56,760 interesting feature about this is that 230 00:14:01,690 --> 00:14:00,120 the solar wind doesn't reach Earth's 231 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:01,700 surface 232 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:04,260 supposedly it affects earth because it 233 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:05,910 changes the shape of the magnetosphere 234 00:14:09,130 --> 00:14:08,370 and so distorts the Earth's magnetic 235 00:14:12,830 --> 00:14:09,140 field 236 00:14:16,250 --> 00:14:12,840 but the HRV response to the solar wind 237 00:14:23,270 --> 00:14:16,260 is stronger than the response to most of 238 00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:23,280 the geomagnetic indices how is how is 239 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:25,440 that happening if the solar wind should 240 00:14:31,190 --> 00:14:27,750 be mediating its effect through the 241 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:31,200 Earth's magnetic field again we we don't 242 00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:35,210 know as with the previous one there's 243 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:39,120 nothing much visible in in real time at 244 00:14:47,570 --> 00:14:43,110 a time lag of 0 and there is once again 245 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:47,580 not as strong but a rather puzzling hint 246 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:53,040 of an anticipatory reaction about 34 247 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:53,610 hours 248 00:15:00,620 --> 00:14:57,930 brought prior to the stimulus and I just 249 00:15:04,780 --> 00:15:00,630 sorry 30 hours on this one I went the 250 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:04,790 wrong way getting to my discussion so 251 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:05,910 conclusions 252 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:08,850 the search for HRV responses to 253 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:11,730 geomagnetic and cosmic variables returns 254 00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:13,920 a strong yes despite the number of 255 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:17,360 individual tests made the strongest 256 00:15:21,620 --> 00:15:19,710 physiological responses are delayed by 257 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:21,630 10 to 30 hours depending on what 258 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:24,420 variable we're looking at some of the 259 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:26,880 strongest responses to cosmic variables 260 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:29,230 do not seem to be mediated by 261 00:15:35,190 --> 00:15:32,680 the geomagnetic field and these results 262 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:35,200 provide some indications of which 263 00:15:40,110 --> 00:15:38,050 environmental variables and which HRV 264 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:40,120 measures will be most useful to track in 265 00:15:50,430 --> 00:15:46,590 speaking of future studies things that 266 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:50,440 could bear more invit investigation we 267 00:15:55,500 --> 00:15:52,930 ignored individual variations here for 268 00:15:58,620 --> 00:15:55,510 the sake of simplicity what could we 269 00:16:00,840 --> 00:15:58,630 learn by actually looking at them do 270 00:16:03,060 --> 00:16:00,850 individual patterns of HRV response 271 00:16:07,170 --> 00:16:03,070 correlate usefully with a person's 272 00:16:09,450 --> 00:16:07,180 physical condition or health needs will 273 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:09,460 a larger study population show the same 274 00:16:13,770 --> 00:16:11,530 or similar effects we've got a 275 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:13,780 tremendous number of data points but one 276 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:15,610 weakness of this study is that we only 277 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:19,390 have 16 volunteers and they're all from 278 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:21,910 the same culture same geographical 279 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:24,130 region they could very easily be a 280 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:27,310 biased sample compared to the general 281 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:32,230 human population the anticipatory 282 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:34,570 reactions are a puzzle we still don't 283 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:35,890 know how we're supposed to interpret 284 00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:38,950 them and then there's the question I 285 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:41,920 already mentioned that the the solar 286 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:44,080 wind doesn't seem to be working through 287 00:16:49,410 --> 00:16:47,890 the magnetospheric effects so how does 288 00:16:51,150 --> 00:16:49,420 it have its effect I first want to 289 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:51,160 suggest we talk about heart rate 290 00:16:56,250 --> 00:16:54,370 variability and I'm going to argue that 291 00:16:57,390 --> 00:16:56,260 you're really not affecting the heart 292 00:16:59,220 --> 00:16:57,400 and you're affecting the autonomic 293 00:17:01,710 --> 00:16:59,230 nervous system because I don't think 294 00:17:04,110 --> 00:17:01,720 you're actually capturing the heart beat 295 00:17:06,060 --> 00:17:04,120 like with pacemakers so you're dealing 296 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:06,070 with autonomic nervous system so what 297 00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:08,440 you deal with that you even got to talk 298 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:11,860 about seat sleep you got to talk about 299 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:15,130 REM you got to talk about you know diet 300 00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:17,170 now I don't know I was involved in a 301 00:17:21,460 --> 00:17:19,870 study with Ramadan with people in Saudi 302 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:21,470 Arabia I don't know if that was going 303 00:17:26,199 --> 00:17:24,650 when you did your study but there's all 304 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:26,209 these other factors that are really 305 00:17:30,909 --> 00:17:28,730 important it's good data and exciting 306 00:17:32,260 --> 00:17:30,919 but you know we got to talk about the 307 00:17:34,450 --> 00:17:32,270 nervous system which we're talking about 308 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:34,460 the brain really and the autonomic 309 00:17:43,890 --> 00:17:39,760 nervous system not stimulating the heart 310 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:43,900 those are all very good points and I 311 00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:47,270 suspect that this has a lot to do with 312 00:17:53,770 --> 00:17:50,179 why the effects we're seeing only 313 00:17:57,940 --> 00:17:53,780 explain a small portion of the natural 314 00:17:59,830 --> 00:17:57,950 variability that that natural variation 315 00:18:02,950 --> 00:17:59,840 comes from somewhere and all of the 316 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:02,960 factors that you listed are relevant to 317 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:08,000 it yes the the the autonomic nervous 318 00:18:12,820 --> 00:18:10,370 system is tremendously important to 319 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:12,830 heart function and does regulate it in a 320 00:18:22,299 --> 00:18:18,710 healthy individual but the the the heart 321 00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:22,309 rate variability was the physiological 322 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:25,580 measure that the the heart math people 323 00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:29,330 chose to work with for a a variety of 324 00:18:37,210 --> 00:18:32,720 reasons including the ones that I 325 00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:37,220 mentioned early on York I was I think 326 00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:40,190 this is a terrific presentation and I 327 00:18:46,409 --> 00:18:43,280 must admit that it provides very sort of 328 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:46,419 powerful evidence of sort of a 329 00:18:52,419 --> 00:18:49,760 relationship of individual physiological 330 00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:52,429 variables to the cosmic environment well 331 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:55,280 the obvious question to me is well if 332 00:19:02,020 --> 00:18:59,360 this is what the Sun can do to people do 333 00:19:03,850 --> 00:19:02,030 the planets also have an effect because 334 00:19:06,399 --> 00:19:03,860 one thinks about the Mars effect for 335 00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,409 instance as an example and I must admit 336 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:08,960 that when that go cleanse stuff on the 337 00:19:14,169 --> 00:19:12,230 Mars effect came out most of us were 338 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:14,179 saying well how could that how could 339 00:19:20,350 --> 00:19:17,210 that be okay but everybody was thinking 340 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:20,360 about gravitational pull and so forth 341 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:21,830 nobody thought about these other 342 00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:25,010 variables so the obvious question again 343 00:19:30,239 --> 00:19:27,580 in my mind is do the planets have any of 344 00:19:31,769 --> 00:19:30,249 and might that influence things like the 345 00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:31,779 Mars effect I assume you know what that 346 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:32,559 is 347 00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:35,230 yes I'm familiar with the Gokul on Mars 348 00:19:43,139 --> 00:19:38,080 effect and the thing with that is that 349 00:19:46,580 --> 00:19:43,149 it is a a purely empirical statistical 350 00:19:50,820 --> 00:19:46,590 correlation that was found that has no 351 00:19:55,970 --> 00:19:50,830 no underlying mechanism that anybody has 352 00:19:58,979 --> 00:19:55,980 been able to suggest exactly these 353 00:20:02,690 --> 00:19:58,989 environmental variables that I mentioned 354 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:02,700 are all literally measurable features of 355 00:20:08,810 --> 00:20:06,369 the physical environment they are things 356 00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:08,820 that can be physically detected at 357 00:20:14,129 --> 00:20:11,830 either at Earth's surface or in the 358 00:20:18,869 --> 00:20:14,139 immediate vicinity with instruments 359 00:20:21,659 --> 00:20:18,879 which I'm sorry yes the planets are out 360 00:20:23,489 --> 00:20:21,669 there they have they have gravitational 361 00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:23,499 effects they have electromagnetic 362 00:20:30,869 --> 00:20:26,799 effects those are all many orders of 363 00:20:33,049 --> 00:20:30,879 magnitude smaller we assume what what 364 00:20:39,810 --> 00:20:33,059 yeah the things we're looking at okay 365 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:39,820 okay fascinating so a speculative 366 00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:43,690 comment on the anticipatory effect and 367 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:47,820 perhaps the 18 hour cycle that you see 368 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:51,190 several years ago Dick Schaap gave an 369 00:20:57,239 --> 00:20:55,090 absolutely mind-blowing talk in which he 370 00:21:01,049 --> 00:20:57,249 showed a correlation between various 371 00:21:04,499 --> 00:21:01,059 human events and solar wind activity 372 00:21:07,349 --> 00:21:04,509 just at the Sun in other words activity 373 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:07,359 solar wind as it was leaving the Sun not 374 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:11,320 as it was arriving on earth so as if we 375 00:21:19,859 --> 00:21:13,570 were reacting to something that was 376 00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:19,869 happening out there now and there hasn't 377 00:21:24,029 --> 00:21:21,999 been any follow up on this it was it was 378 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:24,039 just a series of correlations that he 379 00:21:29,489 --> 00:21:27,129 did but I wonder whether some of these 380 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:29,499 time effects that you're seeing may be 381 00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:32,590 because the response is not due to 382 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:34,480 what's hitting the earth but it's due to 383 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:37,480 the source of perhaps the solar winds 384 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:38,490 for example 385 00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:41,310 well that is a very interesting 386 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:45,640 speculation and I have to admit that the 387 00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,450 solar wind correlation in particular 388 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:51,840 looks an awful lot like the proverbial 389 00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:54,730 spooky action at a distance because it 390 00:22:02,940 --> 00:21:56,980 doesn't look like it's being mediated by 391 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:02,950 anything we know about so if if there's 392 00:22:07,530 --> 00:22:05,740 a reaction to stuff that's happening all 393 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:07,540 the way out there at the surface of the 394 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:10,440 Sun yes that that would show up as 395 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:13,630 anticipatory compared to the 396 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:15,610 measurements of the solar wind reaching 397 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:19,090 Earth's magnetosphere thank you very